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March 17th, 2003
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In which HappyPete is a "tepid warmonger" at best...
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...and I'm not sure that I (completely) agree...for some people, service is "not a career, it's just a job." I met some people in my stint in Officer Training School both on the commissioned officer staff and fellow trainees that I have a hard time "honoring," as I don't feel they deserve it.

That said, I think that the vast majority of our troops and veterans deserve honor and respect...

I guess this whole "support our troops" thing is a glittering generalization in my opinion...but "support those of our troops that deserve our support" is both long, and somehow tautological.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for "peace at any cost" peace activists either.

I've been struggling so hard to come up with a position on this war.

I think, bottom line, I want it to be over. With Saddam in power, I don't see that happening without war.

Is exhaustion an acceptable excuse to go to war?

* sigh *

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From:jenk
Date:March 17th, 2003 04:58 pm (UTC)
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Fyi, technoshaman referred to something I said here.

And you're not the only one without a position on this war.
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From:happypete
Date:March 17th, 2003 08:48 pm (UTC)

blank...resigned...

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I guess I was remarking less on my position--or lack thereof--on the war, but on the demagoguery on both sides, each sensationalizing the perceived abuses or weaknesses of the other side...at turns demonizing and minimizing.

Safety at the expense of liberty is dangerous puts all at risk.

Liberty without safety is not true freedom.

I think the gravest long-term risk we face is that the "temporary measures" in place to prosecute the "war on terrorism," will like similar "wars" like the "war on poverty" and the "war on drugs" will do damage to generations of Americans yet unborn...long after any ephemeral repercussions of one administration's drive to oust the leader of another nation...
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From:teddywolf
Date:March 18th, 2003 07:26 am (UTC)
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Thing is, I have the distinct feeling that even if Saddam left Iraq there might be some new reason why we "need" to invade.

I can't bear the precedent which is being started by this: if you don't like the leader of a country it's OK to levy sanctions against the country and even go to war with the the country. That's not even stretching what's being said, and it makes me worry what will happen to us as a consequence.
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From:happypete
Date:March 18th, 2003 08:15 am (UTC)

Well...

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...the sanctions were levied as a result of their invasion of Kuwait and their undeniable development--and deployment--of chemical weapons, etc.

I mean, can anyone deny that this guy is a bad guy?
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From:teddywolf
Date:March 18th, 2003 10:37 am (UTC)

Re: Well...

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I don't deny he's scum of the Earth. What bugs me is that our President said Hussein had to abide by certain restrictions and then declared Hussein hadn't done so *before the reports one way or another were finished*.

Great googly moogly, if that ever became a courtroom standard what would happen in the courts??
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From:happypete
Date:March 18th, 2003 12:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Well...

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I agree, something smells fishy...all I can say is that I'm willing to believe that there is data that I'm not privy too--but our government had better be prepared to declassify and release that secret data--sooner rather than later--or be roasted in the world "court" of opinion for a long time to come...
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From:teddywolf
Date:March 18th, 2003 01:50 pm (UTC)

Normally

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Normally I'd agree with you about the secret classified information; but supposedly all the big guns informationwise have already been shown to the Security Council and Bush still couldn't get more than a few votes, most of them through rank bribery and/or intimidation.

The US is going to get roasted (we already are) and it's going to be bad. It could be worse than I expect but only if we're actually invaded or hit by terrorists in turn, and it terrifies me that I can't completely rule out us being invaded as a direct consequence of this military action.
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From:happypete
Date:March 18th, 2003 02:21 pm (UTC)

Re: Normally

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The problem I have with going this alone is not that there's anything wrong or repugnant with going it alone...sometimes making the right but unpopular decision means bearing the wrath of others...

But if we go it alone, they're already talking about the cost to rebuild Iraq...how's that for a economic catch-22...we have to pay in blood and dollars to blow it all to hell, and then we have to pay to rebuild.
From:babydraco
Date:March 18th, 2003 10:33 am (UTC)
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I don't want any of our soldiers to die, or go cold or hungry. I support the troops- the person I don't support is the man who's sending them out there to die.
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From:happypete
Date:March 18th, 2003 12:30 pm (UTC)

I suppose..

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I don't anyone to die--civilian or military--but I recognize that it's possible that some may die on all sides so that a much greater number can live in peace and security.

That is a trade that humankind has made for at least as long as there is recorded history...
From:babydraco
Date:March 18th, 2003 12:46 pm (UTC)

Re: I suppose..

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War really only begets more war. Every war has been the result of some other war that went before it.
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From:happypete
Date:March 18th, 2003 02:23 pm (UTC)

Re: I suppose..

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Well, you could say that children only beget more children, as every child ever born has parents that were once children...

War, I'm afraid, is a tool nation-states have available in their "bag of tricks" to be used when no other remedy suffices...
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