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September 1st, 2008
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I was leaning towards Ubuntu or a derivative with Sugar...
Until I looked at the page after page of various options, pre-requisites, and variations for Ubuntu...and then I saw the installation instructions for Sugar on Debian:

"aptitude install sugar"
 
Has someone been drinking from the oversimplification Kool-aid again, or does Debian do that much better a job of managing the packages and dependencies than the *Ubuntu distros?

--Pete

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From:kitwench
Date:September 1st, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
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Call me clueless, but does most kid's software run on these ?
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From:happypete
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:28 pm (UTC)

Depends...

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I'm sure the Flash-based stuff on web-sites [Webkinz, Clever Island, etc.] might work.
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From:kitwench
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:48 pm (UTC)

Re: Depends...

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Ok... so.. here's my question, and I hope it's not offensive - but why, with all of the amazingly great kid's learning software out there, would you install an OS that seems more designed for specific need users ?
I mean, we homeschool, and each of the kids has their own 'puter- now granted, these are OLD machines ,lol !

But the amount of really fun educational software that they enjoy and get a lot out of is the point of my kids having their own machines. For me.

Of course, my kids might be more into the fun and games part of learning software than Q?
From:mtn_hermit
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:10 pm (UTC)
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I would imagine on Ubuntu it's 'apt-get install sugar'.
From:mtn_hermit
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:13 pm (UTC)
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Let me fire up my Kubuntu laptop and take a look... I'll get back to you.
From:mtn_hermit
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:22 pm (UTC)
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Sugar's listed in Adept, the GUI front end to the package system. Requesting it to be installed gets it and all its dependencies. There are other optional Sugar packages that didn't get selected, so you'd have to decide which you'd want.
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From:happypete
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:28 pm (UTC)

cool...

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I guess I need to find out what works and doesn't work and find out some lessons learned from people who have used it.
From:technoshaman
Date:September 1st, 2008 03:03 pm (UTC)

Re: cool...

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There are usually pretty extensive forum pages on such things. I would simply *google*

apt-get install sugar

and see what falls out. But, yeah, pretty much anything Debian has, Ubuntu has, unless Ubuntu has a good reason not to. Like, say, Firefox vs. Iceweasel - Ubuntu has permission to use the Fx trademarks, because they run their changes by the Fx team; Debian's too ornery to do that. But that's OK...
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From:firebitch
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:35 pm (UTC)
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I've got Sugar on my XO laptop, and I gotta tell you, it's pretty crappy. Especially hate that when you move the pointer to any edge of the screen, this annoying 4-edge frame appears. I basically have to work around it.
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From:happypete
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)

hmmm...

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but would it work for you if you were 8....
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From:firebitch
Date:September 1st, 2008 02:42 pm (UTC)

Re: hmmm...

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It's been a long time since I was 8, so maybe.
I have yet to see how it works on a full-size desktop, so it could be bearable.
I still haven't figured out how to get copy-and-paste to work.
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From:songwind
Date:September 1st, 2008 03:50 pm (UTC)
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Ubuntu IS a Debian distro. Someone is drinking the Kool-Aid. The thing is, aptitude (or apt-get, or Synaptic, or Adept, or whatever package manager you like) will install those prereqs for you.

If the Debian repo has it set up so that all you have to do is install one package, and everyone else talks about decisions to make, it's because the Debian repo has just made EVERYTHING a dependency and you have no hope of configuring it.

Considering that he IS 8, and that he will be using Win/X/OSX style computers in his school and work life, I am not sure why you are so set on Sugar. I'm sure he's more than bright enough to learn to do what he wants in standard GNOME in about 5 minutes. Especially if you made him his own submenu or set of desktop launchers.
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From:gundo
Date:September 2nd, 2008 02:50 pm (UTC)
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It's a Debian derivative, which doesn't mean that everything in Debianland is in Ubuntuland.

A little research reveals people who have horked their systems by doing some major installs from the Debian repository, *and* on the travails encountered when moving from Debian
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From:songwind
Date:September 2nd, 2008 02:55 pm (UTC)
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Yes, true. I was thinking about the fact that it used the same Debian package SYSTEM, so the basic technique would be the same for installing it.

Looking back I can see that was not clear.
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From:davidkevin
Date:September 1st, 2008 11:42 pm (UTC)

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This also might be of use, if you have the time: http://www.k12openminds.org

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From:awfief
Date:September 2nd, 2008 07:51 am (UTC)
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So....here's my idea. He's 8 years old...why not let him in on the process? Just install something, and let him know that things can be changed if he's frustrated. Kids don't have a lot of control over things, and teaching him that he doesn't always have to live with frustration is a good thing (ie, he still has to live with the frustration of bedtime and brushing his teeth every night, but this is something where he has freedom).

Tell him that this is his computer, and if something is frustrating him, it can probably be changed.

My first thought was "why are you set on giving him an open source operating system?" Just to ask why -- because if it were my nephew, who turns 8 in November, I'd do it to teach him that things are flexible, and that things can be changed. Maybe *he* can't change them without adult supervision just yet, but it's a lot harder to change Windows....

If it's really just as a machine to do stuff for him, though, Windows is way better with integration, and will be a smoother experience for him. So I'd say "unless you're specifically teaching him the value of changing something you're frustrated with" I would just go with what will work and integrate nicely with a lot of the software out there (though I gather these days most of the stuff is on the 'net).

Also, get an apple emulator and let the kid play with Rocky's Boots. And, Or, Not gates......w00t!
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