|Date:||July 7th, 2006 06:17 pm (UTC)|| |
Completely off-topic, but I find the above construction hilarious and also useful for separating libertarian thinkers of many different walks from the nutjobs that want private roadways everywhere ;-)
fixed...heh...So it's the capital R libertarians I have to watch out for..good to know. ;)
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 07:08 pm (UTC)|| |
See... I thought it was intentional! The post you're commenting on said that libertarianism was "what ultra-right Republicans go to when Bush is not enough." Therefore, "capital R libertarians" are ultra-right Republicans that want to abolish the federal government so they can pay no taxes and be bigoted against "brown people" and gays.
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 07:13 pm (UTC)|| |
Yeah, I was never one of those to begin with, though.
Abolishing the federal government, though...can we do that?
|Date:||July 8th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)|| |
Constitution says we have the right to fix it if it's not working grin.
She's a bit obsessive about being right, it would seem. To attack people who disagree with you simply shows her propensity to live in a mental fallacy of her own design. Translation? She's delusional. Her assertion that anyone making claims counter to her own is engaging in logical fallacy is laughable. Since these same assertions are so emotionally charged, it's just dripping with irony.
I wouldn't let her attempts at self-validation and ego stroking upset you. She lives in her own mind. Those of us who, at least on some level or another, identify as libertarian and were raised with next to nothing for money, know how full of shit she is.
Let it rest. She's got issues.
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 06:41 pm (UTC)|| |
You're as bad as I am about picking at wounds. Once the person proved she was a close minded idiot, you weren't going to be able to change her mind. Don't read her communities and wipe her from your mind as best you can! She's going to keep things as superficial, inaccurate and nasty as she can.
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 07:07 pm (UTC)|| |
Actually what happened was...
mentioned that they had really enjoyed some of the things she wrote in note_to_asshat
. I haven't looked at the timestamp, but I'm guessing she hadn't posted her rant when they said that, or they hadn't read it.
I went looking to see if there was something of redeeming value--and instead, walked right into her attack.
I sought to join the community, and, surprise-surprise, my request was sent to the community maintainers, including, of course elorie
I've had reasonably good conversations with one of the other maintainers in the past; it'll be interesting to know if I'll be permitted to post my response.
I think people's livejournals really do tend to be their little islands. They are in charge there, and isn't that the fun of it all?
Also it's rarely easy to have a GOOD argument about religion or politics that doesn't get alot of heated unhappy feelings in a rile.
I'd go play elsewhere where the psychodrama isn't brewing. ;)
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC)|| |
The area around you tends to be a psycho-drama free zone..
...when's that little shin-dig again?
Re: The area around you tends to be a psycho-drama free zone..
Saturday, July 15th -- 4 pm onward, our place, grill going. Life is good. ;)
Hope you can make it. :)
Perhaps I'm missing something, but I present two rhetorical questions based on the premise that she is an irrational paranoid idee-fixeuse:
1.) Why do you care about what she says about you?
2.) Why are we supposed to care about what she says about you?
My take on it, if happypete wishes to respond differently, I will consider myself chastised.
1. He knew her, at least in passing, and cared enough about her to comment on the discussion she started, and valued her opinion enough to put thought into said discussion.
2. Her comments obviously made happypete unhappy, and therefore belong on his journal. We care enough about happypete to read his journal, therefore we offer him comfort. If he's still talking about it a week from now, then people can bitch about him not letting it go.
You know, I knew Elorie in a weird, distant internet sense for a while, starting about four years ago. It seems that every few months, something would happen along these lines:
Step 1: Elorie says something she knows will stir shit.
Step 2: Shit is stirred by the many people who view her journal or community. In the process, somebody doesn't agree with her.
Step 3: Elorie takes offense that someone would disagree, claims that shit was never meant to be stirred, and declares that her journal has and always will be a shit-free zone.
Step 4: She bans people, rants, and makes a new user icon.
Don't worry, you aren't the first its happened to. Laugh it off, open a beer, and toast the drama llama.
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 08:04 pm (UTC)|| |
Why don't you just give it up and ignore her?
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 08:05 pm (UTC)|| |
I don't know elorie
, but I finally went to see the hubub, bub and I'm not surprised to see the comment above me about her.
What I saw was: Inflammatory statement, somewhat vigorous discussion, and the only "boundary" of hers you crossed was being able to conduct a thorough argument that contradicted her viewpoint...so she went apeshit. Now, maybe you've bugged the shit out of her in the past and this was a last straw kind of deal, I kind of doubt it.
If you had omgviolated her boundaries so much, why is she still talking about it? Granted everyone is different, but usually when one's boundaries are violated, one tends to go inward, no? Not raging outward with such intense anger. My community psychos love to do that. "OMG you're such a meanie. *I* don't have an attitude, YOU have an attitude. I'm now going to call you all sorts of names because you banned me for breaking the rules!" That's what I see her doing.
Deep breath, shake it off and let it go.
|Date:||July 7th, 2006 08:06 pm (UTC)|| |
Yeah, in an argument such as this one, there's no winner. The best that can be said is that you kept your cool, you didn't sink to low insults and degrading sexual comments. That makes her look like the nutjob, frankly.
You get kudos from me, at least. Then again, I was in the same situation with eleri
(interesting how the lj users seem similar in this way, eh?) just last night. Grr.
Haha. She's a classic whackjob. I submitted her to ljdrama.org.
|Date:||July 8th, 2006 01:05 pm (UTC)|| |
A classic, eh?
When we blew up at each other over Katrina, I chalked it up to stress, mis-communication, and defending her friends against a what she perceived as a personal attack by me against them...We got past it, or so I thought...and then this...
|Date:||July 8th, 2006 06:29 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: A classic, eh?
"Classic" in the sense "I've seen this pattern of behaviour and fallacy thousands of times before."
|Date:||July 8th, 2006 06:43 pm (UTC)|| |
Re: A classic, eh?
I knew what you meant, I was just musing on the situation...