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November 3rd, 2004
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Ho-hum.
Apparently someone from one of the two branches of America's single party system of government won.

What a surprise.

Just means less chance that I'll be picketing against encroachments on some forms of personal and economic freedom, and more likely that I'll be picketing about others.

Gun rights? Probably not too much to worry about. Taxes--short term, good; long-term, we're still heading right towards that same old brick wall at break-neck speed, and accelerating...

Religious and reproductive freedoms? Equal treatment regardless of gender, race, or sexual orientation? Okay, these could definitely be problems. Not that I wish the Chief Justice ill--I hope he manages to recover--but why couldn't Rehnquist have fallen seriously ill and failed to come back to work as planned a week or so earlier when people might have had time to digest the implications...

Of all the party candidates, Michael Badnarik got the highest national vote total...around 400,000. Only Nader (running as an independent) did better. So, we can still make a credible claim to "largest third party." I suppose.

Like it matters. Yeah, yeah, cz_unit, game theory, blah, blah, blah...The problem is that right now there AREN'T two players; the game theory has been gamed...there's really only two sides of the same cast of characters, and a bunch of other players trying to get in the game.

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From:christilyn
Date:November 3rd, 2004 06:54 pm (UTC)
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I want a MODERATE third party.

I am starting it.

It is called the Margarita Party. My platform is "Quality 'ritas for everyone!"
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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:11 pm (UTC)

You have...

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your second member!

(can I still be a Libertarian and be in your party?)
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From:christilyn
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:12 pm (UTC)

Re: You have...

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Oh, sure! As long as you like margaritas. :)
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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:15 pm (UTC)

Re: You have...

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Heh...except sometimes they don't like me back.
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From:cz_unit
Date:November 3rd, 2004 06:55 pm (UTC)
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I will accept the fact that at this point the Democratic party has outlived it's usefulness. Proper tactic right now is to exploit the fractures in the Republican party and break it into wingnuts and social conservatives.

Find a candidate that can ignite passions about money like Perot and go from there. Stop wasting time on Badnarik and the ilk unless they can light up a Perot class fire.

And in the meantime, batten down the hatches. It's going to be a bad four years of economics. Social liberties will be left to the whim of the states; be glad you live in a blue state.

CZ
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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:12 pm (UTC)

oh yeah...

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I'm just not looking forward to four years of 43 without even the prospect of re-election to reign him in.
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From:cz_unit
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:44 pm (UTC)

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Tough. Apparently 51% of this country wants that.

It's time to start exploiting said 51%. We can do quite well.

CZ
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From:vvalkyri
Date:November 3rd, 2004 06:57 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately the implications of Rehnquist not returning to the court are good ones for the people who were voting on 'moral values.'

Did you notice the 11 states with anti gay marriage constitutional amendments on the ballot? That was a major turnout pull in those states, sad to say.
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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:14 pm (UTC)

That...

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the (republican) legislators and "citizen groups" fought hard to get those initiatives on the ballots in those states (and others, where they are still trying)...is no surprise.

They knew what a hot-button issue this is.

I don't know how in the world we're going to resolve this--there's a tiny minority of us that are in the right against overwhelming negative sentiment.

I mean, there's even a bunch of GAY PEOPLE against same sex marriages...(Most are at least for "civil unions.")

Sigh.
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From:cz_unit
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:45 pm (UTC)

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Hm. I was thinking this last night.

If 75% of Republicans believe in Saddam as responsible for 9/11, WMDs, and the tooth fairy, imagine what else we can get them to believe. The things that I am thinking are not funny though.

CZ
From:nightbear
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:03 pm (UTC)

Fuel for the fire:

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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:10 pm (UTC)

Re: Fuel for the fire:

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Got it :)
From:alcinoe
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Fuel for the fire:

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Bloody awesome post.
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From:tigerbright
Date:November 3rd, 2004 07:47 pm (UTC)
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You might be interested in http://mangosteen.livejournal.com/77641.html

Or not.
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From:unix_vicky
Date:November 3rd, 2004 08:32 pm (UTC)

Money vs Freedom

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Ok, I suppose Democrats do generally favor higher taxes to pay for services that you may not want or need (healthcare for uninsured, welfare, new parks, etc.) But, considering the Republicans are so anti-privacy (in the bedroom, in women's bodies, etc.) and anti-freedom (freedom to marry who you want, etc.)...


How many dollars will you sell your freedom and privacy for? How many dollars does Bush have to reduce your taxes by in order to make you happy to live in a theocracy?

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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 09:44 pm (UTC)

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Well, hopefully we're not just going to roll over and let the worst case scenarios happen...
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From:unix_vicky
Date:November 3rd, 2004 10:01 pm (UTC)

Worst Case Scenarios

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Well, I think Bush in the White House, with a Republican controlled House and Senate, is about as "worst case" as it gets. Well, ok, it'll get worse once he makes a few more appointments to the Supreme Court (the first might not make much of a difference, since it'll probably be Rhenquist getting replaced). But generally speaking there isn't much in the way of "checks and balances" at this point.


Well, there are at least 40 Democrats in the Senate, so a filibuster is still possible as a last resort.

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From:cz_unit
Date:November 4th, 2004 01:45 am (UTC)

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Next thing to watch for is a 3/4 majority of the states going red. Then constitutional ammendments can be rammed thru. Personally I always thought the first ammendment was a pain and should be repealed.

While we're at it let's see if we can bring back slavery somehow. It's so chic :-)

CZ
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From:teddywolf
Date:November 3rd, 2004 09:03 pm (UTC)
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Sorry dude - two different parties with two different philosophies. Not always good philosophies, no; sometimes one party picks up a philosophy it feels they want to carry that the other one has dropped. But two parties, two different philosophies.

(I think you know how I feel on personal freedoms and civic responsibilities - I agree with you on far more of them than I disagree)

Or are you telling me that this President is just about the same as JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton?
Hell, the guy's not even all that much like Reagan or his daddy.
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From:happypete
Date:November 3rd, 2004 09:43 pm (UTC)

The philosophies are different...

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the problem is that the results have been the same, plus or minus, regardless of who held the top line, who controlled which house, etc.

government gets bigger, more intrusive, more inefficient, more abusive--it's like each party pushes forward its particular agenda, but neglects to roll back the abuses and damage done by the other.
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From:flyingwolf
Date:November 7th, 2004 08:38 pm (UTC)
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two parties, two different philosophies.
I totally agree.
I just didn't know how to respond to someone (let alone a close friend) saying Ho Hum after Tuesday. There was so much at stake. So many emotions on both sides. I fear what can happen in the next 4 years and doubt the damage will be easy to roll back.
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From:happypete
Date:November 8th, 2004 01:39 pm (UTC)

I wasn't trying...

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to mock the pain of partisans; rather, I'm trying to express the fear that John Kerry would have merely caused different long-term damage to our nation.

I agree, the next four--and maybe twenty--years are going to really suck...but to think that the democrats would do a better job flies in the face of the evidence of their past performance.
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