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April 12th, 2004
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From Daniel Webster's December 9, 1814 speech to the U.S. House of Representatives
As published here:
The people of this country have not established for themselves such a fabric of despotism. They have not purchased at a vast expense of their own treasure and their own blood a Magna Carta to be slaves. Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents, and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war, in which the folly or the wickedness of Government may engage it? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest rights of personal liberty?[...][A] free Government, with an uncontrolled power of military conscription, is a solecism, at once the most ridiculous and abominable that ever entered into the head of man.
More recently, from a sitting congressman, The Honorable Dr. Ron Paul, as published here:
Forced servitude, with the risk of death and serious injury as a price to live free, makes no sense. What right does anyone have to sacrifice the lives of others for some cause of questionable value? Even if well motivated it can’t justify using force on uninterested persons.
Just my thoughts this evening, a long-delayed echo from a post--was it you, cz_unit--on the return of draft boards. Let us study history lest we are doomed to repeat it.

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From:(Anonymous)
Date:April 12th, 2004 11:14 pm (UTC)
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From:happypete
Date:April 13th, 2004 11:42 am (UTC)

nice..

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that's the ticket...

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From:marc_breaker
Date:April 13th, 2004 04:51 am (UTC)

Equality.

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This post brings to mind a thought from a while ago. Why is it that a big fuss can be started about "gender discrimination" when a female is denied a job because she's female, but nothing is said about every male being forced to register for "selective service" at age 18, while females are not? Does "equality" work just one way? With equal rights, you should have equal responsabilities. Just a random thought that runs through my head occasionally.

Marc
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From:happypete
Date:April 13th, 2004 11:41 am (UTC)

Re: Equality.

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well, since I would abolish all selective service, that would be nice and equal...

my feeling is that in a situation so dire as to require mass enlistment, that hopefully the people see it as dire and are rushing to support and defend the nation..
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From:marc_breaker
Date:April 13th, 2004 12:29 pm (UTC)

Re: Equality.

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I have to admit that your feelings should be correct. Unfortunately, too many people want the rights without the responsibility. and I agree that selective service should be abolished.

Marc
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From:vvalkyri
Date:April 13th, 2004 11:45 am (UTC)
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There've been also some interesting posts about the use of the draft boards for medical personnel. I'll see if I can find Turnberry's post about it..
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From:bikergeek
Date:April 13th, 2004 12:38 pm (UTC)
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An attempt at reviving the draft will never work, because absolutely *none* of the military leadership of the US wants conscript troops. The nature of warfare has changed. You can't just take a bunch of 18 year olds, hand them guns, and use them as cannonfodder. War doesn't work that way anymore. The stuff the DoD has nowadays is all high-tech, and requires training of the sort you can only give to an all-volunteer force.

The proponents of the draft are people in Congress who have absolutely no clue how modern warfare works. Many of the loudest proponents of the draft are naught but "chickenhawks"--people with no military record who nonetheless advocate war. If they ever try to reinstate the draft, they will get bitch-slapped by the Pentagon so fast it isn't funny.
From:manatee_x
Date:April 13th, 2004 01:39 pm (UTC)

Doesn't make much sense here.....

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As a previous poster stated, one of the biggest reasons our military is so successful is because it is ALL volunteer. We get people that want to be there. This is a luxury however. In other parts of the world (Israel and South Korea come to mind) you don't have this option. When you are surrounded by hated enemies that want you dead and quite likely have the means to do this to you, choice disappears. Now your choices are serve in the military or live somewhere else.

I'd prefer that should we ever need a large standing army (for some reason) that pay, benefits, and expenditures on the military be raised to help induce more people into it.

-Chris
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From:happypete
Date:April 13th, 2004 05:38 pm (UTC)

Re: Doesn't make much sense here.....

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...and presumably if that were truly the need, both more people would be willing to serve, and taxpayers would be willing to pay the bill...
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