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August 28th, 2003
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!
We can't find Quinn's Birth Certificate anywhere...I thought sure it was in our Vital Records folder. Mine. Pam's. No Quinn's. Searched the files. Got Pam to search the files. Searched the house. I finally searched my financial records and found no evidence of a small charge to any entity in Virginia that might be related to paying for a birth certificate--so unless we paid for it as part of the hospital bill and filed it all there, it's possible that he's never had one issued.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!

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From:andrew_jp_reyes
Date:August 27th, 2003 09:25 pm (UTC)
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Um, isn't it mandatory? For them to record it to the state I mean, not necessarily for them to give one to you.
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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 27th, 2003 09:33 pm (UTC)
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It is mandatory for the hospital to submit birth record filing information to the appropriate government office (depending on where you live, that could be the city you were born in or county) - but they are not responsible for getting a certified copy to you.

(Used to work in a county office recording birth and death certificates)
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From:andrew_jp_reyes
Date:August 28th, 2003 04:17 am (UTC)
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Cool! That makes it easier, huh Happy?
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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:55 am (UTC)

Not sure...

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Believe it or not I already paid $60.00 for an expediting company to FedEx us a copy--impulsive, maybe, but even that takes 2-5 days. In fact, when they sent the confirmation, they said that the document would arrive at the hotel "by September 4th." Two days after we check out.

Sigh.
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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 27th, 2003 09:28 pm (UTC)
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doubtful that it was paid for with the hospital bill. Different states handle it differently - but generally you should be able to contact the County Health Department or Vital Records department for the county Quinn was born at (cheaper than getting it through the State office in general).

Example - Delaware County, IN (Muncie, where Kritter and Beena were born), charges $6.00 for a birth certificate - if I were to obtain a copy through the State of Indiana instead (which I *could* do if I wanted to, but why?), it would have cost me $10...some States cost as much as $15 - or at least they did when I still worked at the Delaware County Health Department...

What we required when filling bc requests were: an SASE, copy of the requester's drivers license, and payment along with name of the person for whom the bc is requested, that person's mother's and father's name (including mother's maiden name), and of course, date of birth.

In the state of IN, for children born to married parents, a parent, sibling, grandparent, aunt, uncle, etc., could request a bc for someone. For children born to unwedded couples, *only* the people listed on the bc had access to it.
From:annedecory
Date:August 27th, 2003 10:23 pm (UTC)
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Bizarre. I'm so glad I live in the strange state of WA. $8 go to county auditor's office and they print it out for me. Nice and easy.

--Sheyenne
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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 05:56 am (UTC)
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with identification in IN, it's pretty much the same - the other information is verbal...it took about 3 minutes from request to print out for the most part. But it was different for mail ins...
From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:44 am (UTC)

Well, one problem is...

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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 08:36 am (UTC)

Re: Well, one problem is...

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:08 am (UTC)

Re: Well, one problem is...

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:55 am (UTC)

I didn't think...

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...of the county. I think all VA birth records are kept at the state level, though...
From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 08:41 am (UTC)

Re: I didn't think...

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:06 am (UTC)

Re: I didn't think...

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From:annedecory
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:41 am (UTC)

Re: I didn't think...

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From:happypete
Date:August 29th, 2003 01:49 pm (UTC)

Re: I didn't think...

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From:flyingwolf
Date:August 28th, 2003 04:25 am (UTC)

I'm sure they can get one

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BUT, I'm guessing they need it NOW. Like today. For either the plane trip to Toronto or to prove Quinn's age at Torcon. And I believe Quinn was born in VA. EIT.

They must have gotten one when he was born. Maybe there was no fee, and the fee is only for later copies (since someone has to find the paper and then send the official copy to you).) Just a guess. Aren't all children required to have a SS number? And that requires a BC, doesn't it?

Just checked the con age cut-off. Ok.. he can't be acussed of being 6. There's just no way. So, it's *just* the border crossing that he'd need a BC for. I guess it's a good thing they're flying. The RT ticket will help since it'll prove that he came out of the US.
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From:andrew_jp_reyes
Date:August 28th, 2003 04:38 am (UTC)

Re: I'm sure they can get one

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SSN isn't required until 18, or you start working, unless that changed. Most parents do it younger or at birth though.
From:flyingwolf
Date:August 28th, 2003 05:13 am (UTC)

SSN

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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 05:50 am (UTC)

Re: SSN

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:45 am (UTC)

Re: SSN

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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 08:34 am (UTC)

Re: SSN

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:09 am (UTC)

Re: SSN

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:51 am (UTC)

Re: SSN

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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 05:46 am (UTC)

Re: I'm sure they can get one

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Granted, NJ is different than IN, which is where I worked in a county office registering births, and delivered two children there. The hospital is not responsible for giving you an "official" or certified copy of your birth certificate. And government agencies won't even give the first one away for free.

The social security card on the other hand is a different issue - different department. You *can* flag your hospital records to mark the box to have the social security administration send you the social security card upon receipt of birth information from the hospital. The hospital submits information on births two at least two places: the local government office that is responsible for birth registrations in that jurisdiction and the social security administration.

It is more than possible to not get a birth certificate but still get a social security card - in fact, it's more than possible to get neither until the child is ready to start working. You don't actually *need* a SSN until then. In fact, the places that "require" a SSN are technically in the wrong - they need to provide you with a unique identifier, true, and the ssn is a convenient cop out. However, the Social Security administration actually strongly suggests against the use of SSN as an identifier because of the high incidences of identity theft, etc...

There really is only one use for the SSN - financial transactions with the government (ie., taxes, social security benefits, etc).

But back to requiring a birth certificate. To get a social security card, you need a) proof of identity (drivers license works nicely - in the case of a child, bc's work only to prove that the child was born, and b) a second piece of identification that proves you're alive today - so in children's cases, we highly recommended that parents get them a library card even if they're infants, because having that "proves" you are alive today - not just that you were born. I can't tell you *how* many parents got upset at us at the health department because they took the bc to the social security office and it wasn't good enough. All we could do is shrug and give other ideas - it's not our fault - we were county government - social security is federal.
From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:47 am (UTC)

Re: I'm sure they can get one

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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 08:42 am (UTC)

Re: I'm sure they can get one

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:04 am (UTC)

Re: I'm sure they can get one

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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 07:00 am (UTC)

The online service was cool...

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but (very) expensive...

it looked me up and required me to answer a series of questions taken from (what looked like) a credit report or other public records.

Apparently, VA must have a special agreement to accept their documentation as proof of birth.

Interesting about the wedded couples vs. unwedded requirements.
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From:fiddle_dragon
Date:August 28th, 2003 08:39 am (UTC)

Re: The online service was cool...

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that's awesome! Did you then go through the state office? Or the county/city? I know that while the states are more expensive to obtain one through, states in general have access to *far* more resources than local governments...I doubt we'd ever see anything of the sort in Delaware County, though I wouldn't be surprised to see something similar at the IN state level.
From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 09:07 am (UTC)

Re: The online service was cool...

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From:flyingwolf
Date:August 28th, 2003 05:31 am (UTC)

Be Calm

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You'll probably be ok. Both parents have proper ID and are charismatic. So is Quinn.
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/hditravelcanada.htm

cyber hugs & see you tonight!!!

(your post promted me to do a frantic search for my Passport. It's way expired (issued in '78), but that shouldn't matter for CA. I used to have it in a file, along with my birth certificate. But a while ago (ok.. a few years ago) I pulled it out to get a new one, but never did and never put it back andI ended up finding it in my closet at the bottom of a big plastic tub of misc stuff)
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From:happypete
Date:August 28th, 2003 06:50 am (UTC)

Re: Be Calm

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Yeah...I'm guessing that Quinn's BC with the moves, packing, failed filing efforts, etc.

But thanks so much for the URL and the reassurance...I was hoping they'll take my and Pam's word for it...after all, we were there, which is more than any officer of the Commonwealth of Virginia can say...
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