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May 17th, 2006
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These "pre-pregnancy" guidelines and the ensuing hoopla pro and con makes me wish that the sensible citizens of this country who consider themselves members of the republican or democratic wings of the U.S. single party government were, in fact, "pre-libertarian."

[EDIT] I felt the need to move this link from greendalek's comment up to the post body:

http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060502.shtml

--Pete

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From:vettecat
Date:May 18th, 2006 06:02 am (UTC)
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Cute!
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From:greendalek
Date:May 18th, 2006 02:22 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately that kind of shift in thinking probably won't happen on a particularly large scale until enough adherents of BOTH parties shake the idea that government can be a force for good in the universe if only THEIR people were in the driver's seat. What needs to happen is the large-scale realization that government CANNOT ultimately be a force for good, no matter how well-intentioned, and no matter WHO'S driving.

(I had hopes that movies like "V For Vendetta" and "Serenity" might start nudging that pendulum along, convince larger groups of folks that less government is actually preferable, but it doesn't seem to have happened.)

http://www.sobran.com/columns/2006/060502.shtml
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From:unix_vicky
Date:May 18th, 2006 06:26 pm (UTC)

Wrong approach

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To get Republicans out of power, and prevent them from legislating hate and theocracy and continuing to pillage the planet, vote Democrat. If your local Democrat is corrupt, or a little too into "protecting people from themselves", vote for a different Democrat in the primary. To think that lack of goverment wouldn't turn into a feudal system, with corporations as the barons, and the environment as a dumping ground, is just naive... as is thinking Libertarian candidates wouldn't be subject to the same corruption were they to get into power.
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From:greendalek
Date:May 18th, 2006 08:57 pm (UTC)

Re: Wrong approach

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Possibly true, but the objective of Libertarians (ostensibly) is to LESSEN the power that they themselves might be voted into. In other words, a Libertarian, once elected to a position of authority, will then work to reduce or eventually even eliminate that particular position since it was that authority that caused so much trouble in the first place.
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From:happypete
Date:May 19th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)

Re: Wrong approach

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Of course, Vicky has an excellent point...Remember that that was exactly what we set out to do--create a government vastly more limited in scope and power than the previous regime and strictly limited in its future power and scope.

Ooops....
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From:unix_vicky
Date:May 19th, 2006 12:46 am (UTC)

Re: Wrong approach

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Yeah, I'm all for government which is as limited as it can be and still do what "we the people" decide we need it to do. Unfortunately, human nature is what it is. Somehow, the people's power to make politicians answer for their corruption is not what it should be. Despite my optimistic "vote for another Democrat", there isn't always another choice. But, even Hillary Clinton has a Democratic challenger (for Senate).
From:manatee_x
Date:May 19th, 2006 02:40 am (UTC)

"Now who's being naive, kate?"

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of course. And if you actually believe that, you're crazy. It's all academic though anyhow, since libs will never actually see any measure of power, ever. In order to gain power, you must compromise.

Further, as Farris has pointed out, there is a distinct populus in the lib party that's there not to actually get anyone elected but because it allows them to play the role of "marty" in the political arena.

Blah.

-Chris
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From:happypete
Date:May 19th, 2006 02:54 am (UTC)

Re: "Now who's being naive, kate?"

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Yeah, well, whatcha gonna do?

I have seen more libertarian themes in pop-cult, more side references to libertarian ideas from republicrats, usually along the lines of "It's way too crazy for us to do something like [insert LP platform plank], but what we might do is [something vaguely in the correct direction]."

the problem is, this is a pendulum-swing, the LP has been here before, this is the apex; our equilibrium point is somewhere in the vicinity of "laughingstocks" and "lunatics."
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